Post-Cabinet Press Conference: Monday, 21 October 2024

Before we get into it, I just want to acknowledge what was an absolutely phenomenal sporting weekend for New Zealand. It was an absolute privilege to see so many of our national teams and athletes succeeding at the highest level of sport, and I hope that they know that there were 5 million Kiwis, irrespective of what sport they were following, feeling incredibly proud of them. I thought what the White Ferns did, winning the first New Zealand T20 World Cup in Dubai, was really special, and of course to see a Black Caps win in India after 36 years is pretty special too. Team New Zealand romping home in Barcelona to make the three-peat for the America’s Cup—absolutely fantastic, Jenna—the Silver Ferns I think putting in a great performance to beat the Diamonds in the first Constellation Cup test, and lastly our women’s canoe polo team doing well, beating Italy in the finals of the Canoe Polo World Cup in China. So a great weekend to remember.

But look, we are fast approaching the end of the year and many New Zealanders will be starting to plan for Christmas and their summer holidays. And the last few years have certainly been incredibly tough for so many Kiwis, with high inflation and high interest rates driving up costs and eating into household budgets, but we’re now starting to see encouraging signs that we are turning a corner and that brighter days are ahead for Kiwis and their families.

In the last two weeks we’ve seen the OCR cut by 50 basis points and inflation fall to 2.2 percent—that is two rate cuts under our Government compared with 12 rate rises under Labour—and inflation within the Reserve Bank’s target range for the first time in three and a half years. Those are the numbers, but much more importantly they mean practical things for people in terms of their mortgage rates coming down and grocery shops just getting that little bit easier. This time last year, average mortgage interest rates had climbed over 7 percent. Today they’ve fallen to just below 6 percent, and for a family with a $500,000 mortgage that difference could be worth around $200 in savings on their fortnightly mortgage repayments.

Add to that the extra cash that people are seeing in their bank accounts because of our Government’s tax relief to lower middle income workers, and Family Boost payments making childcare more affordable, and for many people our economic plan will be making a real difference to their family budgets. It means that this summer, many Kiwis will have a little bit of extra money to go towards their Christmas lunch or holiday activities for their kids.

And I know it’s still very tough for many people out there, and we know that the economy is still not in great shape, but by spending responsibly, reducing red tape and restoring confidence to the business sector. We’re beating inflation and we’re creating the foundations for future growth. We’re doing what we said we would do, and that includes delivering tax relief responsibly even when our opponents and commentators cried out that it would fuel inflation. We’ve proved them wrong and shown what can be achieved when you have a plan and you start to deliver on that plan and I’m proud to lead a Government that actually delivers for this country.

Today we’re also very pleased to announce that we have started work on our first road of national significance, less than a year into Government. I was asked the other day by one of you if I had any regrets so far, and my answer was that the only regret I’ll have is that we weren’t bold enough, we weren’t fast enough to get the changes necessary to make sure we set New Zealand up for a great future for our kids and grandkids, and I mean that. Talk and vision means nothing without action and delivery. Parents can’t put their food on the table with a business case. Businesses can’t grow with bumper sticker slogans. For our economy to get moving so that every New Zealander gets a better quality of life, the Government needs not just a vision, but it needs to deliver on that vision. And delivering modern, reliable infrastructure is absolutely critical to our vision of making New Zealand an outstanding place to do business, ensuring that we can attract all the growth and investment that we need to lift incomes for all New Zealanders.

So as of today, crews are on site, starting early works on the Hawke’s Bay Expressway, which will see it go from two lanes to four, making a big difference for growth and investment going forward in the region. The RONS project built by the previous National Government are some of New Zealand’s most successful state highway corridors, and this Government is moving at great pace to build a new generation of RONS that will make it easier and safer for New Zealand to get to where they need to go, creating a more productive and resilient transport network, driving economic growth and unlocking land for thousands of new houses. I’ll now hand over to Transport Minister Simeon Brown to talk a little bit about this in more detail.

Thank you, Prime Minister. Today is a great day for Kiwi motorists and freight operators, particularly in Hawke’s Bay, as early works have started on our first new road of national significance. In July last year on the campaign we announced the Hawke’s Bay Expressway as a priority project for an incoming National Government. In this March we released our Government policy statement on land transport, confirming this project as a road of national significance. In July we announced that project teams had been established to begin procurement, enabling works and construction on our first seven roads of national significance within the next three years, including the Hawke’s Bay Expressway. Today, within our first year in Government, early works have started.

We all know that New Zealand is faced with a massive infrastructure deficit that is a result of years of underinvestment in the infrastructure that our cities and regions need. We’re prioritising the Hawke’s Bay Expressway as one of our roads of national significance as it will unleash economic growth and productivity nationally and regionally. It is a critical corridor that carries 29,000 vehicles a day, and links goods and freight to one of our country’s largest ports to support economic growth. Starting early works on this road of national significance today allows NZTA to maximise next year’s construction season and bring forward the construction of this critical project by 12 to 15 months. That’s why today marks a significant milestone for this project.

As the Prime Minister said before, the roads of national significance built by National are some of New Zealand’s best highways. That’s why we’re ramping up progress on the remaining phase 1 projects. Already geotechnical work is underway on the Warkworth to Te Hana section of the Northland Expressway, and main construction works are expected to start on the Cambridge to Piarere extension of the Waikato Expressway by mid-2026. Kiwis travelling on the Pūhoi to Warkworth motorway, the Waikato Expressway, the Kapiti Expressway and the Christchurch Southern Motorway know what benefits the roads of national significance bring. Building a new generation of projects will continue this track record. And I’ll now hand back to the Prime Minister.

Well, thank you, Simeon. Look, later this week I’ll be heading to Samoa for the Commonwealth Heads of Government meeting, alongside Foreign Minister Winston Peters.

CHOGM represents an opportunity to connect with other Commonwealth leaders and also discuss a range of issues. In these uncertain geopolitical times, it’s important to meet face-to-face to talk about how we can be more resilient in the face of global challenges.

Before we get into questions, I’ll just quickly run through House business. This week we will be continuing with the further stages of the Resource Management (Freshwater and Other Matters) Amendment Bill, the Gambling (Definition of Remote Interactive Gambling) Amendment Bill and the Contracts of Insurance Bill. On Thursday morning there will be extended hours for members’ business, and the first bill up will be the second reading of Teanau Tuiono’s Restoring Citizenship Removed by Citizenship (Western Samoa) Act 1982 Bill. Simeon and I are now happy to take any questions you may have.

I have received it and I’m considering it.

I’m not getting into the details of that. I’ve received it and I’m considering it.

Obviously, I’m taking it with seriousness and urgency, but I’m not going to be going into those details here today. But I have received the advice and I’m considering it.

Sorry, can we go to Claire? Sorry, Claire?

No, I haven’t been briefed on that at this stage. I mean, I met with the Mayor last week, she gave me an outline in terms of some of the work that she’s got underway. Ultimately, as I said last week, we’ve got concerns in regards to the fact they’ve decided to effectively relitigate their entire long-term plan, and we’re obviously concerned about the impact that may have on ratepayers here in Wellington. But ultimately, as I said, I’ve received the advice, we’ll consider it.

No.

Not at this stage, no.

No, I’m not. I was in functions on Thursday evening, I got told late Thursday night, I spoke to Andrew first thing Friday morning. I am conscious that the correspondence from the complainant was sent around widely amongst all political leaders, from what I could work out.

I’m just not aware of that as an issue. It’s the first I’ve heard about it.

Not that I’m aware of. I just was aware I received the—obviously, the letter came in from the complainant. On Thursday evening was when I got told about it, I think it came in late

Thursday afternoon and then, as I said, I met with Andrew on Friday. That’s all I’m aware of. Sorry, Jo?

Well, look, when the issue was raised with him, he apologised and was quite appalled that he caused hurt and insult to somebody. He felt that the matter had been resolved. Clearly, it wasn’t. He got it wrong and he unintentionally made someone, as I said, feel hurt and insulted, and it’s important that he’s corrected that. But in this case, he—once it was raised with him, he apologised fulsomely, thought the issue was resolved. It clearly wasn’t.

Well, look, again, I mean, the issue was raised with him. He apologised. He thought he’d done it fulsomely. He thought the issue was resolved, and clearly it wasn’t when the letter came in on Thursday, which was when we found out about it. What I—

Well, again, in fairness, he thought he had—the issue had been resolved and that he had done what he had done, which was fronted up and apologised to the individual concerned. Clearly, that was not the case, you know, and as a result my conversation with him on Friday morning was to say, “Hey, you know, you’ve clearly got this horribly wrong. You’ve caused hurt and insult to somebody. I expect a fulsome apology to them”, which he did, and he also fulsomely apologised to me and reassured me it wouldn’t happen again. And that’s the standards that I expect going forward.

Well, the first thing is his behaviour didn’t actually meet the standards that I have of him as a Minister. They obviously caused and heard an insult to an individual, as you’ve identified and seen through the letters that have been sent around, and importantly, he’s given me reassurance it won’t happen again. In this case, he thought that he had—when the issue was raised with him, he was quite mortified and appalled by it. He apologised.

Well, my expectation is that he felt that the issue had been resolved. It clearly wasn’t. And then importantly, when I found out about it, he apologised to me, he’s apologised to the victim and—

Sorry?

Yes, because in fairness, he thought the issue had been resolved.

No, he got—he clearly got this wrong. He caused hurt and insult to an individual. His behaviour was inappropriate and wrong. He’s admitted as much. He feels mortified by that. He’s apologised to me, he’s apologised to the person, importantly, and he’s reassured me that that’s not going to happen again going forward. That’s what I’m interested in.

Because, again, I spoke to him about it on Friday morning, I asked him, you know, to reassure me that this would not happen again, he did that, and he understands the standard that needs to be met.

Because when the issue was raised with him, he genuinely was mortified by that. He reached out immediately, apologised to the individual concerned. He has subsequently apologised again to the individual concerned, apologised to me and reassured me it won’t happen again. That to me says that he understands the gravity and the seriousness of not meeting those expectations that I have of Ministers.

Well, I can tell you in my conversation with him, he understood he had got it totally, utterly, completely wrong. What he had intended to be some light-hearted banter clearly was not the case. He got that totally wrong, and he has apologised to me and to the complainant, quite rightly, more fulsomely about that.

Yes, I mean I’ve made that very clear to him. You know, this is not a standard that I expect from any of my Ministers. He has genuinely, genuinely—and that’s what I’m always looking for in these cases. Have you internalised and understood how much hurt and insult you have caused, and what have you done to make that—as best you can, to make amends? But importantly, I would expect going forward—and I’ve told him that very clearly, and he’s given me reassurances that there won’t be this behaviour again.

Well, each case is different, but I think you’ve seen me, over the last two and a half years deal with any personnel issues within my caucus or within my Cabinet, I think, pretty fairly and pretty swiftly. And I just—and it doesn’t make it right, because what happened here was someone was hurt and insulted by his remarks and his comments, which were way off beam and not right. It’s right that he has got contrition, genuinely so. He has genuinely, authentically apologised as fulsomely as he possibly can, and he’s given reassurances that it won’t happen again.

I can tell you in my conversation with him, and I went through it with him on the Friday morning, it was very clear to me that he knew that his remarks and his comments and his interaction with that individual had caused hurt and insult.

I’m genuinely unaware of that issue, until Jo just raised that now.

It doesn’t sound like something my team would do, and I can just tell you I’m not aware of that issue.

I’m sure it’s something my office will look into, but what I’m interested in is making sure that the person who’s been hurt and insulted actually gets a genuine apology and, most importantly, that Andrew understands that that behaviour is unacceptable.

Again, as I said, you know, the issue was raised with him after a visit to this business. It was raised with him, he immediately was appalled and mortified that that had caused hurt and insult in the way that it did. He clearly got it very, very wrong. He showed tremendous attrition and a genuine apology to the individual concerned, and also to me and to our—you know, for letting our Government and myself down and not meeting those standards. He understands the standards and he’s going to make sure that it doesn’t happen again.

Oh, look, I can tell you in my conversations with him on Friday morning he clearly understood that he had got that very, very wrong.

And he has subsequently made sure that that worker—he’s available to meet with that worker to have a further conversation if they so wish. It’s up to them.

Well, again, he’s making sure that actually the message has got through to the worker. He only had a contact for the business that he had visited. And I don’t doubt his genuine contrition and his genuine realisation that he got this so horribly wrong in his interaction.

That has not been in my—there was—he can argue that—or you can argue all day long. The reality is he has admitted that he was wrong and that his words and his interaction caused hurt and offence.

All I’m just saying to you is that I have spoken with him. I am convinced that he genuinely realises he’s got that horribly wrong. I have got reassurances from him that if it happens—you know, that it will not happen again, and also that he understands that that’s not the standard that we expect of any of our Ministers in our Government.

Sorry, I’ll just come back to you, Jenna. Can I go back over here? Sorry.

No, because in many ways he felt he had that issue resolved, and once it was raised with him, he immediately tried to get in contact with the individual and offer that apology, which, you know, he believed would be passed through to them. But importantly, what I want to make sure when I’m having those conversations is: has an individual registered that they got it wrong, that they caused hurt, and then what have they done about that, genuinely? And more importantly, what are they doing going forward to make sure that it doesn’t happen again?

Yes, it was. I welcome her independent decision to review those prosecution guidelines and to withdraw them. You know, the reality is she’ll now work with the Attorney-General to make sure they’re reflective of our Government going forward. And the reality is that we’re a Government that believes that all New Zealanders should be held equally accountable before the law, and I’m sure she’ll do that work with the Attorney-General.

Well, look, the key thing is that she’s realised she got it wrong. She’s withdrawn those guidelines. She’ll work with the Attorney-General to make sure we’ve got something reflective of our Government.

I didn’t, no.

Yeah. Well, look, Health New Zealand has some very serious financial challenges. It’s important that all money—I know Shane Reti has made that point expressly clear to Health New Zealand, that they should spend money wisely. On the other hand, also it is important that leadership groups can come together and actually work out, you know, and get aligned on what they are trying to do as well. But in this case, yes, it is important the money’s well spent.

Yeah, look, ultimately it’s an issue for Health New Zealand. It’s an operational issue. We’ve been very clear. They’ve signalled that they’ve got financial management challenges. We’ve also made sure that we’ve made the message very clear through the appointment of a Commissioner that we expect money to be well spent, and well directed towards delivering outcomes for New Zealanders.

Correct.

Well, ultimately, yes, the Commissioner and a chair of any board will make a decision about a CEO and an executive team and a management team, but what I’d say to you is Lester Levy is doing an incredibly good job in a very difficult situation. Health is without doubt a very complex portfolio. It has lots of moving pieces. We’ve put more money in. We’re trying to make sure it’s delivering on its core targets, we’re increasing our workforce, we’re making sure that we, you know, can get this and be a better quality organisation that when we put more—as more money goes in, it actually delivers better outcomes. So I think we’re very lucky and very fortunate to have Lester Levy step up and take on pretty much a full-time job, 24 hours a day, trying to turn the healthcare system around.

Well, look, the first thing I’d say is it’s fantastic—less than a day after they’ve actually secured victory, just to say what a fantastic job they did. It’s a feat of New Zealand sportsmanship and yachting at its very best. It’s a great showcase of New Zealand’s technology. Ultimately, that will be a decision for Team New Zealand to make. We’re happy to entertain any proposal that they wish to put to us. I just do acknowledge, however, that it’s really tough times for New Zealand as well, and so we’d have to weigh that up against all the other things that we want to be able to do and to be able to deliver for New Zealanders.

Well, again, it’s going to be up to Team New Zealand as to determine where the Cup’s actually held, and we would be open to receiving a proposal from them.

No, but again, what I would observe is that it would be important for me to make sure we move through that process pretty quickly and give everybody clarity. Having observed the conversations in past years, I think it’s Team New Zealand’s decision about where it gets held. Put a proposal to us and the Government will genuinely give it some consideration, in light of other priorities that we have, acknowledging it’s a pretty tough time. But importantly, it’s pretty exciting to see what those yachties did.

Well, I just say Team New Zealand gets to choose where the event’s held. That’s their decision. So, as I said, we’re happy to have a conversation and happy to kick that off now that the Cup’s been won. I think it was a bit premature last week.

Well, no, Team New Zealand gets to choose the venue. They’ll engage with us when they want to engage with us on a conversation. We’ll go through that process pretty quickly so that we have clarity and we don’t go through the palaver that we’ve seen in previous times, and we’ll come to the decision.

And we’ve made that clear. We’re very happy to have a conversation with Team New Zealand.

Yeah, look, there’s a lot to do in that three days, but I do want to actually meet with our personnel who are working really hard with their Samoan counterparts to mitigate the environmental impact in particular, and have been there on the ground dealing with the personnel issues, initially. But obviously now we’ve got a team of over 50 people under the leadership of Commodore Brown, who’s doing a great job, I think, organising the team but also communicating where we are with the Manawanui.

We’ve had some good news in terms of we’ve been able to bag those vents, which has sort of slowed down any release of fuel coming out of those ventings. We’ve also—the major fuel tanks remain intact and importantly we’ve taken—I think today we took off—this afternoon, we took off the second container. We’ve got one more container to remove tomorrow off the reef and then the work continues on, which is now working with the salver to identify how we can safely extract the fuel out of the main fuel tanks off the ship, then de-risking, obviously, large-scale environmental impacts. We’ve got teams that have actually been looking at beach debris and cleaning that, if there’s anything like that, but we haven’t seen evidence of impact on marine life or anything at this point in time.

I’m not sure. It’s really—with CHOGM being in full speed, just making sure I just don’t want to be a burden on logistics within Samoa. But having said that, I will find a way to be able to meet with the team.

No. We’ve got a very robust process with the Court of Inquiry. That’s a well-established process. We’ve got—as we’ve seen, the Court of Inquiry leadership has been proposed. It has outside influence, independent influence as well. I’m very comfortable with that process and I think it’s important we let that run through so we can establish the facts of actually what happened.

Yeah, I’m a soft republican, I’d say. I think somewhere in my lifetime, New Zealand will choose to become a republic. But I’d just say to you right now, I’m also quite a fan of the royal family and I think at the end of the day, this is not a topic for New Zealanders. New Zealanders are deeply concerned about the cost of living, as we’ve talked about. They’re deeply concerned about restoring law and order and delivering better health and education.

Well, look, I mean, I think they’ve served New Zealand incredibly well and will continue to do so.

Well, I mean, they’re incredibly dedicated people who—and as I said, I’m looking forward to actually having a chance to sit down and spend some time with King Charles as well. Sorry, Jack?

No, I haven’t. No, I haven’t, so it’ll be a first.

No, what I’m saying to you is our current constitutional arrangements are not something that I don’t think New Zealanders are up for a big debate about right now. It doesn’t say that it won’t happen in the future, I’m sure that it possibly will. But for right now, New Zealanders want us to be very focused on the things that matter most to them, and this isn’t one of them.

Not at all. I mean, as you know, our job this year, in the first 11 months, has been to build a relationship with India, so we’ve got the foundation in place for further conversations around security and around trade. That’s taken the shape of, you know, Todd McClay, our Trade Minister, meeting with his counterpart six times, I think three of which have been in India. Winston Peters has already been to India. Both Winston Peters and Judith Collins will go again very shortly. As you know, we hosted the Indian President here earlier in the year, I’ve spoken with Prime Minister Modi on the phone, had a good conversation there, had a very good interaction with him in Laos last week, and so we are both very determined to make sure that we strengthen and deepen the relationship between India and New Zealand. So I’m confident those conversations will continue.

In my conversations with Prime Minister Modi, we were very aligned on the fact that there was more for us to do in both the trade and other areas as well of the relationship.

Well, we expect the organisation to have good governance and I’m sure the Trust will deliver that.

No, but we’ll be monitoring closely to make sure the Trust has good governance.

Well, I mean we have a number of Government agencies working in the Gloriavale community across a range of issues, and we’ll continue to do so and we’ll continue to monitor it very closely.

Well, I disagree. We will be watching very closely and I expect all our agencies to do so. Richard?

Well, as I said, we’ve got a different philosophy from the previous Government on Government spending. It’s not just the operating allowance, which you know is very constrained and we’ve put some very tight limits around ourselves so we’ve got disciplined spending in place, but we’re also questioning the amount of spend that already goes on across Government and as a result, we’re finding programmes that actually don’t have the effect that they’re supposed to have.

We want to make sure we churn that amount of money as well and make sure that we’re getting good value from that spend as well, and that’s what you saw us do through the course of the mini-budget before Christmas and again at the main Budget where it was confirmed and we generated something like $23 billion worth of Government savings. I think it’s rather unusual in Government that Government only focuses on the Budget incremental money and doesn’t focus on the layer cake that sits underneath it of previous commitments around spending, and we need to make sure that the sum of the total pool of money is actually working incredibly hard. I think there’s a lot more that we can get out of that. Sorry.

You talk to that.

Oh, look, I think, you know, Wayne’s got his views. I think as the Prime Minister—as the Prime Minister said though, if Team New Zealand puts forward a proposal, if they’re interested in hosting it in New Zealand, that’s a question for them.

I don’t think policy on bed taxes being brought to bear with the excuse of trying to secure an America’s Cup is probably the right way to go about it.

Oh, because we’ve talked about this before. It’s a coalition commitment. As you know, we’ll support it at first reading, but not beyond that. And, you know, as I said, New Zealanders want us to focus on the things that matter most to them and that is really about fixing the economy, restoring law and order.

I can tell you we’ve made a commitment in our coalition agreements. I didn’t get what I wanted; David Seymour didn’t get what he wanted. We came to a compromise and, you know, we’ll support it at first reading but not beyond that, as we’ve said. Sorry, Thomas?

Well, I mean, you know, we have a series of funding in health already across New Zealand. It is probably getting closer to $30 billion, from memory. We have committed in the last Budget to put $17 billion of new money into the system. What we are wanting to make sure is that we actually have a high-performing Health New Zealand. Clearly it hasn’t been and that’s why I’ve appointed a Commissioner there to get that job done, because we want to put good money into a great organisation that’s going to deliver outcomes, and I don’t want it lost in bureaucracy and I don’t want it lost in a poorly functioning organisation. So that is very much our focus.

Well, I can tell you that is the conversation that is happening when I join the Budget Minister’s conversations for next year that we have already started. We are expecting to make sure that all Government spending, whether it is new or old or previously existing money, is working incredibly hard. I don’t think that is an unreasonable thing to expect.

Well, I think that hui will be particularly interesting. It’s an opportunity for Māori coming together to talk about how they advance their own economic interests and, therefore, that of the country as well. I know there’s been—I’ve met with Ngāi Tahu twice this year in a top-to-top meeting and I can tell you they have huge commercial ideas and creativity about how to move things forward. There’s also input coming in, as I understand it, from First Nations communities from Canada and other parts of the world as well. So I think it’s exactly the conversation you want to be seeing, which is that we know New Zealand does well when Māori are doing well, and if Māori can actually find new ways and accelerate their commercial and economic development, that’s a good thing.

I haven’t yet but I plan to, and yes, I really would like to. So I’ve got that on my calendar, it’s just getting that organised.

Shortly, I hope, yeah.

No, look, I appreciate people have a right to protest in New Zealand. It’s an important part of our democracy. We just expect people to do it peacefully and legally. Yes, Jake.

Yes, I have met him before, I met him in Washington—I think he was three or four days into the job. We spoke mostly about the personal transition of coming into Government and, as a new Prime Minister, how that works with respect to family life and other things and how you juggle some of that. But we’ll sit down and have a formal bilateral when we’re in Samoa together.

I imagine there will be a range of topics on the agenda in the bilateral relationship, also how we can work together in the region and also our perspective on global affairs as well.

Well, again we’ve got a UK‒New Zealand free trade agreement and it’ll be about making sure that we continue to develop that and to build out from there. Sorry, last—Ben, you haven’t asked a question, right?

Still an ongoing conversation but obviously we need to be reassured that we’ve got gold-plated animal welfare standards in place, and so that’ll be an ongoing conversation through Cabinet.

No, not that I’m aware of. We’re working very clearly, as you know, through our quarterly action plans, and so those are the priorities for the immediate three months in front of us, and that’s what we’re trying to close out before the end of this year. But, you know, we’re open to live animal exports, it just needs to be done at the highest possible standard and making sure that all animal welfare considerations are in place.

Yes.

No, load of rubbish. I think when you come from outside the political process, you don’t just look at the new money coming in. That’s all the point I’ve been trying to make to you. We look at the total spend of Government and we say, look, if there’s programmes that aren’t really getting results or are that effective, if it’s OK to actually move and reprioritise that funding to things that are. And likewise, we want to make sure we’re getting a good return on it. It’s all taxpayers’ money at the end of the day, and so it’s not just a cost plus mentality that we need to bring into Government finances. We need to look at the total spend and make sure that it’s delivering the results, and we are results-led. And then we work out how money is best and resources are best deployed, when they’re often finite, to deliver those outcomes and those results.

OK, last question, Jenna.

I just said, as I said earlier, I’ve received the advice. I’m now considering it.

OK. Thanks, team.